Being an industrial scientist has both positive and negative sides. Jim Hayward, who later founded Applied DNA Systems, noted both plusses and minuses to his time working at Estée Lauder. He noted that the science gets done quickly — the pressure of a product development timeline can be salutary in some ways — but in the end, he decided that he “could do more with that science outside of Lauder than I could at Lauder.” He left for his own company, the Collaborative Group.